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GMAT: Data sufficiency 37

142-144, pg. 290. Created by Sal Khan.

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  • blobby green style avatar for user jawaadjanjua
    143 ) m+x/n+x > m/n
    if we cross multiply or simply it further,
    n(m+x)> m(n+x)
    nm + nx > nm + mx
    nm-nm + nx > mx
    nx > mx
    n > m
    i.e m < n ... is it possible to do that way ? that satisfies statement #1 ?
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user A Highberg
      You are very close. The only catch is that the sign flips when you multiply both sides of an inequality by a negative number. In your proof, you multiply both sides twice: once by (n+x) and once by x. If x>0, then (n+x)>0 (since n>0 is given) and so both values are guaranteed to be positive. If x<0, then as long as n<|x|, both x and (n+x) are negative so you still arrive at the conclusion that m<n since the sign flips twice. The only time the inequality doesn't hold is when x is negative but (n+x) is positive, i.e., n>|x|. For example, if x=-1, m=2, and n=3, the inequality becomes (2-1)/(3-1) > 2/3 or 1/2 > 2/3, which is not true. Also, if x=0, then you get m/n > m/n, which is never true.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Rony Gao
    For the Question Sal brought up from Problem 142, I think the book was right. The rule of data sufficiency is to judge whether a statement alone is sufficient to lead us to conclude the prompt. If a statement alone is sufficient to disprove the prompt, it is of course "not sufficient to prove the prompt".
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    • blobby green style avatar for user holla8283
      i think where you're mistaken is where you say "lead us to conclude the prompt." This is incorrect. It is "verify if the prompt is correct." I.E. 'is x=y?' If you can verify through the clues that the prompt is not correct, you have sufficient evidence to answer the question. For example if the teacher asks you if x=y and you respond 'no', you have answered her question. And thus the clue is sufficient.
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  • leaf green style avatar for user Ian
    In problem 144, why did Sal multiply both sides of statement 2 by (1/10)?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Betul Champlin
    Q.143: When we give x a negative value just like in the case of -99/-98, the result is positive (negative divided by negative) and still larger than 1/2. Can you please clarify? In this case, I am thinking statement 1 would be enough by itself, what am I missing here?
    Thank you so much, great videos, huge help!
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Balbir
    On question 144, I think the alternate method Sal was about to use (min ) would be easier to clarify discussion questions below. ie from the question, one can simplify the question to "is 10^(-n) < 10^(2)?" => is -n<-2? => is n>2?
    (1) confirms the simplified question
    (2) simplifying the powers gives us 10^(-n+1) < 10^(-1)
    => 1-n<-1 => 2<n (or n>2) - which independently answers the simplified question
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  • leaf green style avatar for user Shabbir Wardhawala
    144)it hasn't been specified in statement 2 that n>2. hence if n were to be 1 and 2, it would contradict the question. so please explain it to me.
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  • male robot hal style avatar for user Ibrahim
    B=x, not 0
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Video transcript

Before I go on with problem 143, I actually have a bone to pick with problem 142. We actually went through it correctly, although I probably did a couple of more steps then I had to. Because when I do them in real time my brain wanders. But now that I've had time to sit and look at it a little bit, I realize that I think the GMAT people may have made a mistake. So what was the problem? The problem itself was 9 to the x plus 9 to the minus x is equal to b. The problem is, do we have enough information to answer this question? That's how they phrase it. They don't say do you have enough information to say that this is true. They say do we have enough information to answer this question. So if I have enough information to say, no, this is not true. That statement should still be good. So we can ignore statement number 1. In the last video I showed that that was sufficient. I still agree that that is completely sufficient. But let's look at statement number 2. According to the GMAT people, they say that statement number 2 is not sufficient to answer this question. I'll argue that it is. Because they say that statement number 2 says that x is greater than 0, which is equal to b. I take this to mean that x is greater than 0 and 0 is equal to b or b is equal to 0. Maybe I'm misunderstanding that, but that's the only way I can think of interpreting this thing. So if b is equal to 0, what is the statement that we're trying to see if we can answer, or the question that we're trying to answer? What does that boil down to? Well then the question boils down to 9 to the x plus 9 to the minus x is equal to 0. My question to you is, if I'm taking 9 to any power, to any power whatsoever, can I ever get 0 or a negative number? In fact, the only way I can get to 0 is if I do 9 to the minus infinity power, right? Because that equals 1 over 9 to the infinity. So that might approach 0. But even if I said x was infinity here, on this side I would have 9 to the infinity here. This would be infinity plus 0. So it would still approach infinity. So there's actually no way-- and that's the limit and all that, I don't want to get confused-- but there's no way. Some people think, oh, if I'm taking it to a negative exponent, maybe that becomes a negative power. No, a negative exponent just means an inverse. So this could be written as 1 over 9 to the x is equal to 0. So if x becomes a very large number, this becomes very positive and this approaches 0. If x becomes a very, very, very, very small fraction, this number becomes a small number. But then this is the inverse of a small number, so this becomes a large number. Actually, if x becomes negative, these just switch places. This becomes 1 over 9 to the positive x. You got the point. These are just negatives of each other, these exponents. If x was 0, then both of these are equal to 1. So then you get 2 is equal to 0. The way I see it, statement 2 answers our question. But the answer is no, 9 to the x plus 9 to the minus x does not equal b because statement 2 says b is equal to 0. But anyway, I don't harp on this too much, but I think they actually made a mistake. Because statement 2, in my mind, answers the question. It just doesn't say that the question is true. Let's move on to the next question. But it's good. I think discussions like that, even though some poor chap-- because apparently these are real GMAT questions-- some poor chap might have gotten it wrong. But we can use that as a piece of instruction. So anyway, 143. They say if m is greater than 0 and n is greater than 0, is m plus x over n plus x greater than m over n. Interesting. So they're essentially saying, if I have m over n and then I add the same number, we call that x, to both the numerator and the denominator does that make the whole fraction bigger? I'll just give you a little intuition right now. If I had a very small number for x, relative to m and n, it doesn't change the fraction much. Well, let me put it this way. If I had anything, whatever x is, and the larger x is, the more that this fraction is going to approach 1. You think about it, if m is 1, and n is 2, and x is 1 million, and x is 1 million, then that million is going to overpower the m and the n. You probably remember that a little bit from your limits. But I just want to give you that intuition. Regardless of what m and n are, if x gets suitably large, than this will approach 1. But I don't know if that's going to help us. Let's look at the statements. Statement 1, m is less than n. So if m is less than n, this says that this is going to be less than 1. So it's going to be a fraction. I just said that if I add an x to the numerator and the denominator of something, you're going to approach 1. But we have to be careful because they didn't tell us that x is positive. So I might be subtracting x. Maybe this x is a negative 1 million. Let me give you that example. So let's say m is less than n. So let's say that m is equal to 1, n is equal to 2. So we could say if x is 1 million-- let's say something similar, let's say x is 100-- so m plus x would be 101 and n plus x would be 102. That is easily greater than 1/2. You say, oh, excellent. Statement 1 is sufficient. First of all, that doesn't prove sufficiency, but it's easy to prove that it's not sufficient. Because what if x were minus 100. Then it would be 1 minus 100 would be minus 99. Then 2 minus 100 would be minus 98. Is that a greater than 1/2? Well, no. This is a little over minus 1. So it's actually a negative number. It's going to be less than 1/2. So statement 1 alone is not sufficient. Because I can pick an m and an n using statement number 1, and then an x. I could pick different x's where the statement is either true or not true. This one is not true. I'm trying to cross that out. Let's look at statement number 2. Statement number 2 tells us that x is greater than 0. So let's think about just x being greater than 0 alone. Does that help us? Well, it does help us if m is less than n. Because I just gave the example that if m is less than n-- so if you're starting with some fraction that's less than 1-- and you add a positive number to both the numerator and the denominator, you're just going to get a little bit closer to 1. So you're actually going to increase the value of that fraction You could test it out on a bunch of different numbers, right? If you add 1 to the numerator and the denominator of 1/2, you get 2/3. If you add another 1, you get 3/4. If you add another 1, you get 4/5. So you see how this continues. As you add more and more to the numerator and the denominator, it approaches 1. This x greater than 0 satisfies our problem with the first statement. Because our first says, oh, what if x is negative? Then it doesn't work. But let's think about whether x greater than 0 by itself is enough to answer this question. It works when m is less than n. So it works in conjunction with statement 1. But what if n is greater than m? What if we start with an equation like 4 over 2? 4 over 2, is that-- let me make sure I get that-- is that less than 4 plus x over 2 plus x for any x greater than 0? Well, let's add 4 to the numerator and the denominator. So then this would be equal to 8 over 6. This number right here is 2. This number right here is 1 1/3. So it's not true. If x is equal to 0, this statement still doesn't work if n is greater than m. So in order for this statement to be true, or in order to answer this question, you actually need both pieces of information. So both statements together are sufficient to answer this question. Next problem, 144. If n as a positive integer-- so they tell us n is greater than 0-- is 1/10 to the n less than 0.01? So what they're saying is 1/10 to the n less than 0.01. Well, what's 0.01? Well, let me write it out. So this statement, that's another way of saying 1/10 to the n less than-- 0.01 is 1 over 100, which is the same thing as 1/10 squared. Well let's just think about it a little bit. Let me look at the statements before I go off on my own tangent. So statement 1, they say n is greater than 2. So if n is greater than 2, as n increases, is that going to make this whole number smaller or bigger? Well, if I take a fraction, especially 1/10, and I increase it to more and more powers, I actually end up going more and more behind the decimal point. If n is greater than 2, at n equals 2, you get 0.01. Then if n is equal to 3, although it doesn't have to be an integer. Actually they tell us it's an interger. So if n equals 3, what is it? So they say n has to be at least 3 because it's a positive integer. So what's 1/10 to the third power? It's 0.001. That's definitely less than 0.01. What's 1/10 to the fourth power? That's 0.0001. That's definitely less than 0.01. So this statement alone is sufficient to answer the question. Statement 2. Another way you view this is, this inequality could be written as 10 to the minus n is less than 10 squared. Then this is only going to happen if minus-- no, actually that's not a good way to go about it. I think the way I explained it the first time is probably the better way. All right. The second statement they say is 1/10 to the n minus 1 is less than 0.1. So what we could do here is just multiply both sides of this equation by 1 over 10. What happens? You get 1/10 times 1/10 to the n minus 1 is less than-- what's 1/10 times 0.1? Well, it's 1.01, right? It's 1/10 of that. What does this simplify to? You have 1/10 to the first power times 1/10 to the n minus 1. You add the exponents. You could put a first power there. Well, this is equal to 1/10 to the n is less than 0.01. which is the statement that we originally had, 1/10 to the n is less than 0.01. So statement 2 is actually equivalent to the original problem statement. So each of these statements, independently, are sufficient to answer the question. See you in the next video.